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		<title>The Kindle is dead, long live the Kindle</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2011/10/10/kindle-dead-long-live-kindle/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2011/10/10/kindle-dead-long-live-kindle/" title="The Kindle is dead, long live the Kindle"></a>I&#8217;ve been complaining (whining) about the Kindle for some time now.  My main argument was that with the impending emergence of netbooks and tablets (which weren&#8217;t out yet when I started this thread), a dedicated &#8220;e-reader&#8221; was pointless and destined &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://joeldowns.com/2011/10/10/kindle-dead-long-live-kindle/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2011/10/10/kindle-dead-long-live-kindle/" title="The Kindle is dead, long live the Kindle"></a><p><a href="http://joeldowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/KF_19-1.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-546" title="KF_19 (1)" src="http://joeldowns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/KF_19-1.jpg" alt="" width="618" height="347" /></a>I&#8217;ve been complaining (<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/">whining</a>) about the Kindle for some time now.  My main argument was that with the impending emergence of netbooks and tablets (which weren&#8217;t out yet when I started this thread), a dedicated &#8220;e-reader&#8221; was pointless and destined to fall by the wayside.  It was clearly a stepping stone to devices that offered an e-reader as just another piece of software on a device that was capable of far more.</p>
<p>Amazon has now released the Kindle Fire, a color tablet that is based on the Android OS rather than their proprietary Kindle OS, just as <a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/12/04/proprietary-ereaders-are-doomed/">I told them to</a>.  The world doesn&#8217;t need another OS, and Amazon doesn&#8217;t need to waste money designing one, so they&#8217;re much better off leveraging Google&#8217;s OS and adding the Kindle software on top of it.</p>
<p>While Amazon is still offering Kindle dedicated e-readers, it seems clear that the Fire will be Amazon&#8217;s focus going forward, and the dedicated e-reader platform will probably be de-emphasized and fall by the wayside as tablets get cheaper and the price difference between tablets and dedicated e-readers approaches zero.</p>
<p>So to Amazon, I say well done: you&#8217;re focusing on what you&#8217;re good at and providing a reasonably full-featured tablet at a very competitive price.  Will it put pressure on the iPad?  Probably not a lot because it will be the category leader for the foreseeable future, but clearly the race to the bottom for tablet prices has started, just as it did for PCs a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>Amazon: Stop it, now</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2010/01/21/amazon-stop-it-now/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2010/01/21/amazon-stop-it-now/" title="Amazon: Stop it, now"></a>Amazon today announced that they are making an app store available for the Kindle.  What they need to do is go back to the engineers and have them crank out a color Kindle, so developers can make halfway interesting apps &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://joeldowns.com/2010/01/21/amazon-stop-it-now/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2010/01/21/amazon-stop-it-now/" title="Amazon: Stop it, now"></a><p>Amazon today announced that <a href="http://mashable.com/2010/01/21/kindle-app-store/" target="_blank">they are making an app store available for the Kindle</a>.  What they need to do is go back to the engineers and have them crank out a color Kindle, so developers can make halfway interesting apps for it.  Mashable opines that this is &#8220;a huge development that completely changes the dynamics of the impending Tablet wars,&#8221; but when you consider that the imminent Apple tablet is sure to have an app store, a color screen, and will likely sell more units in their first year than the Kindle has sold cumulatively, this announcement amounts to squat.  There&#8217;s a reason Amazon doesn&#8217;t talk about how many Kindles they&#8217;ve sold.</p>
<p>Amazon knows they&#8217;re losing all their momentum to Apple, and they&#8217;re grasping at straws.  They conned EA into giving them a quote for their press release, &#8220;“Working with Amazon, we look forward to bringing some of the world’s most popular and fun games to Kindle and their users,&#8221; but what&#8217;s missing here is any mention of a specific game.  EA probably hasn&#8217;t started work on any Kindle games and may very well just wait and see if the platform is going to shape up.  They certainly won&#8217;t release any of their premier game licenses on a black and white screen.</p>
<p>Please move along, nothing to see here.</p>
<p>Looks like <a href="http://theonda.org/articles/2010/01/21/why-i-dont-want-apps-on-my-kindle-or-toilet" target="_blank">I&#8217;m not the only one on this bandwagon</a>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Proprietary e-readers are doomed</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2009/12/04/proprietary-ereaders-are-doomed/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 00:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/12/04/proprietary-ereaders-are-doomed/" title="Proprietary e-readers are doomed"></a>Few tech gadgets these days inspire more wonder and press buzz than e-readers.  While Amazon didn&#8217;t pioneer the e-reader space, they did popularize it with their bookworm-friendly Kindle.  The Kindle, while rather feature-poor as a device, is great for pure &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/12/04/proprietary-ereaders-are-doomed/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
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<p>Few tech gadgets these days inspire more wonder and press buzz than <strong>e-readers</strong>.  While <a href="http://www.amazon.com" target="_blank">Amazon</a> didn&#8217;t pioneer the e-reader space, they did popularize it with their bookworm-friendly <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Wireless-Reading-Display-Generation/dp/B0015T963C/" target="_blank">Kindle</a>.  The Kindle, while rather feature-poor as a device, is great for pure book reading, and the passion shown by its users has apparently inspired many other companies to follow suit by developing their own e-readers.</p>
<p>Building an e-reader makes sense for a lot of companies, e.g. Amazon, HP, Dell or Amazon, companies that focus on hardware and developing platforms for which others can develop software or content.</p>
<p>However, we&#8217;re now seeing other companies jump into the game who have no business making their own e-readers, specifically <strong>content publishers</strong>.  <a href="http://www.time.com/" target="_blank">Time</a> recently gave a <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/02/time-inc-shows-off-magazine-tablet-demo-plans-future-anger-abo/" target="_blank">preview of their e-reader</a>, showing off its capabilities with content from Sports Illustrated.  It looks pretty cool honestly, but what if I want to to read <a href="http://www.roadandtrack.com" target="_blank">Road and Track</a> on it?  No such luck.  It&#8217;s built for Time Inc. magazines &#8211; People, SI, Fortune, TIME, etc.</p>
<p>So no Road and Track, but what if I want to read PC World or Popular Science?  There&#8217;s an e-reader for that.  Bonnier, IDG, and MIT have teamed up with Plastic Logic to create <a href="http://www.foliomag.com/2009/tech-pubs-deploy-que-ereader" target="_blank">an e-reader for their lineup of technology-oriented magazines</a>.</p>
<p>So now, when I&#8217;m sitting on my <em>throne</em> and want something to read, I don&#8217;t flip through my magazine rack, I flip through my <strong>e-reader rack</strong> until I find the e-reader with the magazine I want to read.  Awesome.</p>
<p>This must stop. Now.  We, the users, are trying to simplify our lives with e-readers, not complicate them.  I should be able to have a single reader with all my magazines on it, not a half-dozen different e-readers with different interfaces and control schemes.  <span style="background-color:#ffffff;">Any publisher making their own e-reader for their own content is doomed, and needs to be stopped before they hurt themselves. </span></p>
<p><span style="background-color:#ffffff;">What would happen if NBC, CBS, and ABC broadcast their shows so they could only be seen on proprietary devices?  &#8221;Let me turn on my other TV so I can watch NBC.&#8221;  Yeah, that&#8217;d fly.  These guys rely on the TV and HDTV standards that make their entire business models possible. </span></p>
<p>We have seen format battles in the past like VHS vs. Betamax or Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD, but ultimately those are open formats &#8211; available for all content producers to use.  This is analogous to the battle between the Kindle, the Sony e-reader, and the rumored Apple iTablet or whatever it ends up being called.  But <strong>for a content producer to make hardware that solely services their content is just insane</strong>.  Stop now, guys, and leave hardware to the professionals (<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/21/wired-shows-off-an-apple-tablet-formatted-copy-of-wired-on-a-fak/" target="_blank">as Condé Nast is doing</a>) before you bankrupt yourselves trying to swim in the deep end of the pool.</p>
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		<title>Watch out, Kindle</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2009/09/11/watch-out-kindle/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 23:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/09/11/watch-out-kindle/" title="Watch out, Kindle"></a>Watch out, Kindle, you have more and more competition every day.  They&#8217;re cheaper, they solve 80% of the &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to buy bulky books&#8221; problem, and they cater to a mass market, not just &#8220;reading enthusiasts.&#8221;  As I predicted &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/09/11/watch-out-kindle/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/09/11/watch-out-kindle/" title="Watch out, Kindle"></a><p><a href="http://www.joeldowns.com.php5-23.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/asus_eee_reader.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-260" title="asus_eee_reader" src="http://www.joeldowns.com.php5-23.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/asus_eee_reader.jpg" alt="asus_eee_reader" width="260" height="190" /></a>Watch out, Kindle, you have <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/09/07/dual-screen-e-reader/" target="_blank">more and more competition</a> every day.  They&#8217;re <a href="http://themoment.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/04/bookish-browsing-sonys-e-reader-editions/" target="_blank">cheaper</a>, they solve 80% of the &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to buy bulky books&#8221; problem, and they cater to a mass market, not just &#8220;reading enthusiasts.&#8221;  As I predicted earlier, <a href="http://www.joeldowns.com.php5-23.dfw1-2.websitetestlink.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/asus_eee_reader.jpg2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/" target="_blank">your days are numbered</a> if you don&#8217;t bulk up on features or come way down in price.</p>
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		<title>Kindle 3 &#8211; Now THIS I would buy</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/26/kindle-3-now-this-i-would-buy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<title>Kindle will be history within a year</title>
		<link>http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>joel</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/" title="Kindle will be history within a year"></a>As sick as I am of hearing about the underwhelming Wolfram Alpha, I&#8217;m even more sick of hearing about the product-that-shouldn&#8217;t-be, Amazon&#8217;s Kindle.  This machine is destined to be obsolete within a year, so Amazon should quick-like get back to &#8230;<p class="read-more"><a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/">Read more &#187;</a></p>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/05/19/kindle-will-be-history-within-a-year/" title="Kindle will be history within a year"></a><p><img class="alignright" title="Kindle DX" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Wfzh%2BZq%2BL._SL500_AA280_.jpg" alt="" width="280" height="280" />As sick as I am of hearing about the <a href="http://joeldowns.com/2009/04/29/wolfram-alpha-is-a-feature-not-a-search-engine/" target="_blank">underwhelming Wolfram Alpha</a>, I&#8217;m even more sick of hearing about the product-that-shouldn&#8217;t-be, <a href="http://mashable.com/2009/05/06/kindle-dx/" target="_blank">Amazon&#8217;s Kindle</a>.  This machine is destined to be obsolete within a year, so Amazon should quick-like get back to ecommerce and leave hardware to companies that know something about it.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my problem with the Kindle: when I look at it, I think &#8220;that&#8217;d be cool if I could also browse the web on it, watch movies on it, play music on it, or use it as a digital picture frame,&#8221; but despite it being essentially a small computer, it won&#8217;t do any of those things.  A netbook can do all of these things, and it costs less.  </p>
<p>For a few laughs, let&#8217;s look at Amazon&#8217;s pitch for their latest model, the Kindle DX:</p>
<ul>
<li><em>Holds up to 3,500 books, periodicals, and documents</em> - Amazon downplays the fact that this is only 4GB of storage, a pathetic number for any modern netbook.</li>
<li><span class="title"><em><img class="alignright" title="Apple Newton" src="http://www.everymac.com/images/cpu_pictures/apple_newton_mp_100.gif" alt="" width="144" height="191" />Beautiful Large Display: </em></span><span><em>9.7&#8243; diagonal e-ink screen reads like real paper; boasts 16 shades of gray for clear text and sharp images</em> &#8211; Are you kidding me?  16 shades of gray?  Sure, that&#8217;s better than the <a href="http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/messagepad/stats/newton_mp_omp.html" target="_blank">Newton</a>, but this isn&#8217;t 1992, guys.  Any modern netbook offers 32 bit color, giving <strong>millions</strong> of colors.  If I want to read a text book or a blog post on my Kindle DX, you better believe I want color.</span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Auto-Rotating Screen: </em></span><span><em>Display auto-rotates from portrait to landscape as you turn the device so you can view full-width maps, graphs, tables, and Web pages</em> &#8211; We&#8217;re only down to the third bullet point, and this is the best you can do?  This is truly trivial, and <a href="http://lifehacker.com/5249179/eeerotate-orients-your-laptop-screen-for-easy-reading" target="_blank">easy to do on a netbook</a>. </span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Built-In PDF Reader: </em></span><span><em>Native PDF support allows you to carry and read all of your personal and professional documents on the go</em> &#8211; PDF readers are free to download on any PC.  Just because this is better than the original Kindle doesn&#8217;t make it cool.</span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Wireless: </em></span><span><em>3G wireless lets you download books right from your Kindle DX, anytime, anywhere; no monthly fees, no annual contracts, and no hunting for Wi-Fi hotspots</em> &#8211; if you really need to download a book while you&#8217;re outside of wi-fi range, apparently this is the device for you.  If you don&#8217;t have a Kindle, just download the book to your smartphone, then transfer it to your PC.  </span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Books In Under 60 Seconds: </em></span><span><em>You get free wireless delivery of books in less than 60 seconds; no PC required</em> &#8211; You can also download an ebook to your netbook in less than 60 seconds, no Kindle required.  Fail.</span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Long Battery Life: </em></span><span><em>Read for days without recharging</em> &#8211; Who reads for more than a couple hours at a time, anyway?  Non-problem solved.</span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Read-to-Me: </em></span><span><em>With the text-to-speech feature, Kindle DX can read newspapers, magazines, blogs, and books out loud to you, unless the book&#8217;s rights holder made the feature unavailable</em> &#8211; Now you can have <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Time-Stephen-Hawking/dp/0553380168/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1242777393&amp;sr=8-1" target="_blank">A Brief History of Time</a></em> read to you in the author&#8217;s own voice.  Awesome! </span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>Big Selection, Low Prices: </em></span><span><em>Over 275,000 books; New York Times Best Sellers and New Releases are only $9.99, unless marked otherwise</em> &#8211; This has nothing to do with the device and will surely be available on any PC very soon.</span></li>
<li><span class="title"><em>More Than Books: </em></span><span><em>U.S. and international newspapers including the New York Times and Wall Street Journal, magazines including The New Yorker and Time, plus popular blogs, all auto-delivered wirelessly</em> &#8211; Again, I have a PC and a cool new thing called a &#8220;web browser&#8221; for this. </span></li>
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<div>The only things that make the Kindle superior to a PC <em>for the purpose of reading</em> are:</div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>It&#8217;s lightweight with a super-compact form factor</li>
<li>Um&#8230;that&#8217;s about it.  I guess this isn&#8217;t much of a bulleted list.</li>
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<p>And Amazon wants $489 for this piece of&#8230;technology.  For that kind of money I can almost get <strong>two</strong> netbooks, <strong>each of which</strong> have 9&#8243; full color screens, 1GB RAM, 160GB hard drive, built-in webcams and mics, wifi, memory card slots, 3 USB ports,  and weigh in at 2.5 lbs (2 times the weight of the Kindle DX.)  With the Kindle, I can read an ebook.  With two netbooks, my wife and I could video conference with the in-laws, watch movies (chick flick for her, dude flick for me), organize our photos, play online games against each other, or&#8230;we could read ebooks.  Where to spend the money is pretty obvious to me.</p>
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<div class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 290px"><img title="Asus Eee Top PC" src="http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41oC2V8-KSL._SL500_AA280_.jpg" alt="Asus Eee Top PC with 15 touchscreen" width="280" height="280" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Asus Eee Top PC with 15&quot; touchscreen</p></div>
<p>So, I&#8217;m calling it: within one year, someone else will have an ebook platform that will be far more robust and versatile, and it will be cheaper, and Amazon will exit the game to focus on selling ebooks.  Perhaps the Kindle-killer will be Apple&#8217;s rumored <a href="http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2007/11/05/apple-tablet-concept-the-ipad-touch/" target="_blank">iPad</a>, perhaps Microsoft will <a href="http://www.techflash.com/J_Allard_Microsoft_researchers_seek_patent_on_a_magic_wand.html" target="_blank">get their Tablet PC act together</a>, or perhaps Asus will mate their <a href="http://www.amazon.com/900HA-8-9-Inch-Netbook-Processor-Storage/dp/B001GIPSAM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1242778207&amp;sr=8-3" target="_blank">Eee PC</a> with their <a href="http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Eee-Top-15-6-Inch-Touchscreen/dp/B001SE4K3K/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1242779387&amp;sr=1-1" target="_blank">Top PC</a> to create a Kindle-beating love child.  I don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s going to do it, but the PC industry is going to put the Kindle out of our misery, and the sooner the better.  </div>
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